[edu.t.o] Development

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Assumpte: 	Re: Tiki for Edu
Data: 	Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:42:27 +0000
De: 	epaul@speakeasy.net
A: 	Xavier de Pedro Puente 


Sure!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Xavier de Pedro Puente [mailto:xavidp@porthos.bio.ub.es]
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 05:51 PM
> To: epaul@speakeasy.net
> Subject: Re: Tiki for Edu
> 
> Do you mind if I post your message and reply to it through the forums at 
> edu.tw.o?
> http://edu.tikiwiki.org/tiki-forums.php
> Xavi
> 
> En/na epaul@speakeasy.net ha escrit:
> 
> >Hi Xavier,
> >
> >Sorry, for the delay - I've been out of town quite a bit for my regular work 
and have not had much time lately... Anyway, like yourself, I am very interested 
in a Tiki and Moodle type integration. However, I think the current Tiki is very 
bloated with a lot of other things AND to then have to integrate another product 
like moodle.
> >
> >For an Education LMS system, I don't think all the features/funtionaly that are
 (hard coded) in Tiki will make it a good system. The thing with Tiki is that the 
code is not to modular/flexible. Don't get me wrong, I do like Tiki BUT I have issues
 with the modular nature of tiki and all that code that is not flexible to clean up 
and it could be rather slow for performance.
> >
> >Now, I have recently been looking into TikiPRO (tikipro.org) which is a re-write
 of tiki BUT there goal is to make it more modular. And, there design is a LOT more
 flexible to integrate other packages/programs. I would recommend you take a look 
at tikipro.
> >
> >Also, I am not much of a programmer. The problem I had in the past is finding 
programmers who are also have interest in Education to commit time to do what I 
have in mind. 
> >
> >Let me know your thoughts on the above!
> >
> >Evan
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Xavier de Pedro Puente [mailto:xavidp@porthos.bio.ub.es]
> >>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:14 AM
> >>To: epaul@speakeasy.net
> >>Subject: Re: Tiki for Edu
> >>
> >>Hi Evan,
> >>
> >>Ok, I'll look forward to hearing (reading) from you soon.
> >>I've just got an e-mail from George, who is going to use plone + moodle 
> >>as educational portal.
> >>Are you still planning to use Tiki + any LMS (moodle, atutor, .LEARN, 
> >>dokeos, ...)?
> >>I'm still interested in using Tiki + LMS, because for our university, 
> >>it's easier to use Tiki that Plone (we already have php installed on 
> >>oficial servers, but not Zope, etc.). And I could't get thorugh Zope 
> >>myself months ago when I tried installing it on my machine...
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>
> >>Xavier
> >>
> >>En/na epaul@speakeasy.net ha escrit:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hi Xavier,
> >>>
> >>>Glad to hear from you! I have been out of town and just now catching up 
on emails. It's late at night for me here. I will respond to your email below 
with some comments soon!
> >>>
> >>>Evan
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>>From: Xavier de Pedro Puente [mailto:xavidp@porthos.bio.ub.es]
> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2005 10:29 AM
> >>>>To: george_geller@speakeasy.net, epaul@speakeasy.net, steen@commstds.ucla.edu
> >>>>Subject: Re: Tiki for Edu
> >>>>
> >>>>Hi George,
> >>>>(cc Evan, Francis)
> >>>>
> >>>>How is the moodle-in-tiki project going?
> >>>>
> >>>>Do you need any financial suport? (I can contribute right now with some 
> >>>>personal money, not much though). Hopefully, if we get our new projects 
> >>>>funded, we might get more money to help funding its development, if 
> >>>>moodle-in-tiki is technically feasible.
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm personally very interested in the results of the project, since we 
> >>>>(at UniWiki project) are planning to use Tiki for Educational scenarios 
> >>>>at least the following year 2006 (even if we don't get any extra 
> >>>>funding), but moodle is much better for this use, ... and some kind of 
> >>>>moodle-in-tiki would be great.
> >>>>
> >>>>As I told you months ago, we applyied to some funding to the Catalan 
> >>>>government in Spain, for three projects related to the use of web based 
> >>>>technologies for education, and for two of them I was thinking in Tiki 
> >>>>(I will have to convince the other lecturers at uni involved in the 
> >>>>project that Tiki is the right tool to use). If so, we are planning to 
> >>>>invest money in adding features to tiki to help us using it for edu & 
> >>>>our projects. But if moodle gets integrated into Tiki some-how (or they 
> >>>>cooperate with each other some how), then we can direct our efforts (and 
> >>>>money) to moodle development or tunning, o moodle-in-tiki tunninig, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ok, I look forward to hearing (reading) from you.
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>>Xavi
> >>>>
> >>>>P.S: Btw, I'm in contact with Francis Steen, because I'd like that 
> >>>>edu.tw.o. is re-activated, somehow. There should be a better 
> >>>>communication between both sub-projects of the Tiki community, I think.
> >>>>
> >>>>En/na George Geller ha escrit: (20 january 2005)
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner or even check my email.  I've been
> >>>>>busy 
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>(...)
> >>>>
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>>>.  I expect
> >>>>>to release a moodle-in-tiki Frakenproject under the auspices of the
> >>>>>wikicampus project (founded by Evan Paul) in the next couple of months.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>George
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 11:02 +0100, Xavier de Pedro Puente wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     
> >>>>>
> >>>>>          
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Hi all:
> >>>>>>I resend this message (sent through Tiki internal messaging feature) to 
> >>>>>>the addresses listed at WikiCampus (at sf.net) project (sorry the ones 
> >>>>>>of you that get it twice).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Cheers,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Xavier
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>---------
> >>>>>>Hi Mose, Dennis, George, Javier, Yannick, Dayton, Max, Sylvie, 
> >>>>>>bpfaffenberger, kage, demers, bligneri, Tim, limako, bnuz, mike, baci, 
> >>>>>>Robi, Damian:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I've taken your names either from [http://edu.tikiwiki.org], or 
> >>>>>>((LearningManagementSystemDev)), or 
> >>>>>>[http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=25496&group_id=123746|WikiCampus], 
> >>>>>>and we seem to be some people interested in using tiki as a LMS for 
> >>>>>>Educational use (for teaching and/or learning).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I realized some time ago that edu.tw.o is kind-of-dead project, right 
> >>>>>>now, and Dennis, and George might be very busy since they didn't answer 
> >>>>>>previous messages-comments-questions (maybe they didn't get them?).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I would like to know which is your real interest (from each one of you) 
> >>>>>>in using tiki for education, since I saw no much movement on 
> >>>>>>LMS-related  pages at tw.o.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I might get some more money from our university or government to improve 
> >>>>>>the teaching  related to TIC tools, as some more people might get, and 
> >>>>>>I'm still wondering if Tiki is going to be useful for that issue. It 
> >>>>>>maight be interesting in integrating somehow moodle within tiki? 
> >>>>>>improving homework feature? talk about any roadmap to integrate a scorm 
> >>>>>>compliant module into tiki? include the requested features in LMS-tw.o 
> >>>>>>at some point-tiki-version?...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I think that we need an active space to talk/discuss a bit about this in 
> >>>>>>an open way, so that nobody wastes its time, energy and money using them 
> >>>>>>in the wrong direction, or with the wrong tool or community.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>This space could be either edu.tw.o, is __somebody please update__ the 
> >>>>>>code from 1.8.3 to 1.8.4.1+security patches, and enables a forum there. 
> >>>>>>Or it might be just a forunm in tw.o dedicated to education, if edu.tw.o 
> >>>>>>can not be updated in the short-run?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I'd love to read your opinions...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>(if you want to answer back through tiki to all, you can use copy&paste 
> >>>>>>the following:
> >>>>>>mose,DennisDaniels,george.geller,jreyes,YannickMajoros,daytonclark,MaxPower, 
sylvie,bpfaffenberger,kage,demers,bligneri,TimMansfield,limako,bnuz,mikehough,baci,robi 
> >>>>>>,Damian)